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The part that scares me is the parallels between current times and the 1920's.
In both cases you have the country riding a strong conservative movement.  You
have the Democrats fighting for internationalism and the GOP fighting for
isolationism/unilateralism.  In both cases you have a single strong Democratic
president (Wilson-Clinton) elected due to a fracture in the Republican party
(Taft/Roosevelt-Bush/Perot) that leads to a booming economy.  Then the
Republicans take over, deregulate everything, and widen the class gap.  The
only ingredient needed for a full-blown depression is to create a bunch of
funny-money that suddenly dissappears.  In the 20's they had overreaching
speculation on the stock market, today we have the national debt/social
security crisis.

I am growing more and more convinced that we are on the edge of an economic
catastophe.

by BBigJ on Wed Nov 17, 2004 at 05:40:59 PM EST

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Funny you should mention that. My first instinct was to compare Bush with Wilson: a president who squeaked in despite a clear majority of voters expressing a preference for the opposing ideology, who enacted seemingly inconceivable domestic legislation (income tax, child labor), who lied flatout about America's future involvement in foreign wars in order to win reelection, who was famously rigid and prone to overreaching. Of course, Wilson's policies were actually beneficial to the country, but the superficial similarities are striking.
by morinao on Wed Nov 17, 2004 at 09:37:10 PM EST
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I've had a theory for a while that American politics runs in 40/80 year cycles, after noticing some parallels:

Bill Clinton (1993-2000) - two-term centrist Democrat in the middle of an otherwise Republican dominated era.  Elected with the help of third party candidate H. Ross Perot in 1992.

Go back exactly 40 years and you find:

Dwight Eisenhower (1953-1960) - two-term centrist Republican in the middle of an otherwise Democratic dominated era.  (No third party help in his case)

Exactly 40 years before that:

Woodrow Wilson (1913-1920) - two-term centrist Democrat in the middle of an otherwise Republican dominated era.  Elected with the help of third party candidate Theodore Roosevelt in 1912.

Other interesting facts:
Republican-dominated era: 1896-1932 (except Wilson)
Democratic-dominated era: 1932-1968 (except Eisenhower)
Republican-dominated era: 1968-? (except Carter and Clinton)
Doesn't quite follow the 40/80 year theory but it's pretty close.

2000 election:
Bush (R)  47.87% popular  271 electoral
Gore (D)  48.38% popular  266 electoral

40 years before that, the 1960 election:
Kennedy (D)  49.72% popular  303 electoral
Nixon (R)  49.55% popular  219 electoral

Both elections hotly contested and racked by charges of vote fraud.

  1. Democrats lost, amid the early stages of a resurgent liberal movement (also note that the most obvious sign of that movement - LaFollette's third party run - came 76 years before Nader played the same role in 2000.  Not quite 80 years but close.)  
  2.  Republicans lost, amid the early stages of a resurgent conservative movement.  
  3.  Democrats lost, amid the early stages of a resurgent liberal movement.

Assuming the theory holds true, 2004 wasn't our turn yet.  Our turn will be 2008 (40 years after Nixon ushered in the Republican era), or 2012 (80 years after FDR ushered in the last Democratic era.)

Also, the theory falls apart if you go back before 1896, so it's not meant to be any kind of scientific political analysis, just an observation.

There's an interesting book that sheds a lot of light on the current parallels with the 1920s, and also backs up and has a plausible explanation for my theory about politics running in 40/80 year cycles; "The Fourth Turning" by Neil Howe and William Strauss.

by ACSR on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 12:52:56 AM EST
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I am unclear what you are saying with the 40 year rule. Over the last hundred years neither party has held the Presidency for more than 20 years and that was mostly 4 term FDR. The DFL held control of both houses for most of the last 75 years. How does that fit into the mix?
by Classical Liberal on Thu Nov 18, 2004 at 04:12:04 AM EST
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